better you than us. like, why aren't republicans saying, "here's some things you can do that we'll like." here are our red lines. if you do the public option, no. surtaxes, no. higher taxes on capital gains, no. but if you have an idea as to how to slow the growth in medicare, if you want to do things like this health exchanges, making it easier to afford to make it easier to buy across state lines, well, good luck to you. that sounds pretty good. and if you're prepared to take the political heat, again, you know, good luck to you. >> moyers: i'm reminded that you grew up in canada. >> i did. >> moyers: couldn't the conservative, a calm conservative make a case for that kind of national insurance plan in this country? >> look, where those plans have grown up, as in britain, for example, you've seen conservatives make their peace with them, as the british conservatives have done. and once something is integrated into the status quo of your country, it gets conservative. there are, i think, a lot of reason